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he is suspected of killing three people and police say that dorner has posted a manifesto of some sort online and named his other targets. moments ago authorities held a press conference and are now focusing on the area known as big bear valley in california where they're going to go door-to-door in search of the suspect. for the latest we check in with adam housley on the ground there. what's the latest. >> reporter: for viewers who may not have been to southern california when you fly in from the east big bear are the mountains to your right before you get to los angeles, a popular area in the summer and winter time and ski resorts shut down midway when the suspect's truck was found there burned out. the latest i understand is this, authorities wanted to capture him before nightfall, that did not happen. they did find fresh tracks from his burned out truck up there, but led to nothing, they have a two mile radius right now, the search going on, they're going door-to-door
and federal authorities there as well and people all over the region and tactical teams there, s.w.a.t. teams and bloodhounds and racing not only the night, but the storm coming in and they'll search or until the weather makes them stop and the sheriff says they'll spread that search out after the first two miles have been checked and homes that are vacation homes are seen and looking for any signs of forced entry and doing anything they can to try to find this guy at this hour, but sean, with the weather it's cold up there, the fog is coming in and snow is coming and it's nightfall and this man has a tactical advantage, they know that and they're being very, very careful because he's willing to take out anybody in his path. >> sean: he's very well trained, adam. and after they had in fact that-- they found that car that he was driving, one has to wonder if he was not able, hopefully to carry the weapons that they think that he had with him, any thoughts on that.
>> reporter: right, i mean, there are thoughts about that. they won't tell us what was fo found in the vehicle that he burned out. and somebody who will take out anybody in his way, not just the police officers, the investigation you alluded to in 2008. the families, he killed two of the people, one was a daughter of one of the officers from back then and her fiancee and any citizen that comes the to the aid of any officer he'll take them out and he's willing to die for it. and whether he left any weapons in that truck or not, dos have weapons with him authorities believe and they do not know where he is and he could literally be anywhere up there, could have found another vehicle and potentially gotten away, they're not going to stop unless the weather gets too bad. >> sean: all right, adam, we'll be checking with you later on. thank you for being with us. someone named in the alleged shooters manifesto, former
detective mark fuhrman, you see what is going on and they've got the two mile radius, where do you see this going? >> well, when i read the manifesto, i see somebody that spent a lot of time. 's got a lot of of anger and rage and he's certainly planned this and festered for almost four years before he implemented it. you can't tell if he's trying to pull law enforcement exactly where they wants them or he's doubling back ab having them waste their time and search efforts while he's on the road getting away. it could be anything, but they can't take any chances. >> do you think it's possible, maybe thinking deeper than i should. maybe he planned to put the car right where it is, and that he's got a stock pile of firearms somewhere nearby? is that a possibility? obviously police have been concerned. >> i don't think you're thinking too much at all, sean, in fact, i think that would be a probability. to think that he would actually dispose of his truck and have a lot of heavy
weapons and ammunition he'd have to take out on his back for a long distance would be ridiculous. i mean, he's got a plan, no matter how bizarre it seems to you or i or how well laid out it is, he has a plan and i think this is part of it. >> sean: all right. you're right about the anger and the rage in the manifesto, but in another way, in an odd way, it was also very coherent and obviously, he's very knowledgeable of the political process that's going on. he addresses president obama, he talks about michelle obama's new hair cut, hillary clinton, who he likes a lot. obviously left of center. some of the media figures that are left of center that he likes, but then he has a particular rage toward you. he mentions rodney king, the o.j. simpson case. your reaction to that? >> well, when you read it, sean, he's all over the place. he can't seem to focus on one thing that actually is his focus of his anger. i mean, when you read about
the officers and the supervisors on l.a.p.d., there's nobody that he likes and nobody that he agrees with. for some reason, it seems, it almost appears that he came on l.a.p.d. with a pre-conceived idea of a corrupt department, a violent department, a racist department and then he went about to find the evidence no matter where he found it or no matter how, or how much taken out of context it was. he actually did that and it seemed to actually fuel his anger. >> sean: there also seemed to be a certain level of narcissism here and he's focused on himself, but you're right about one thing, that manifesto did show that he had an agenda almost from the very beginning, he says a lot of these rage is coming from the fact that he reported discrimination and he wasn't listened to and then of course, obviously, got fired. >> well, you know, sean, you look at this, he did 12 months on a tour in the navy during
that period of the department. so he was active duty for about two years and during that period he had a probationary period. so, in that short period of time he seemed to find no matter where he went, he had problems with his partners and other officers. so, i have a feeling that he either was incredibly naive about what the streets of los angeles are like, or he went there specifically to actually fuel this anger he already had. >> sean: it seems he had the type of personality, i'm gleaning this through my own observation or manifesto, he'd almost want to be watching the reports on himself tonight on television. plausible to you? >> i think if there is a possibility he would be watching and certainly wouldn't know what to say to this man. he passed the point of no return and i think he realizes that. if he gives up, he's defeated. if he stands and fights he's
going to be defeated. so, you know, in some regards his manifesto, he has no choice. >> sean: mark fuhrman, thanks so much for being with us. coming up we'll monitor the situation out of california as this manhunt continues when breaking news develops we'll bring it right to you on hannity. coming up next, president obama's pick to be the next head of the cia john brennan faced tough questioning on capitol hill. former speaker of the house newt gingrich is here with reaction to the testimony and senator lindsey graham how it went down at the heated benghazi hearing earlier today. >> with all due respect, i [ male announcer ] how can power conmption in china,
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>> and this is a fox news alert. we continue to monitor the situation out of california and there is a state wide manhunt for a former l.a.p.d. cop who allegedly murdered three people and injured more. and first a bad day for the president's pick to lead the cia john brennan. it started off with fireworks as brennan began his opening statement he was interrupted not once, not twice, but five times by protesters. it became so bad that senator dianne feinstein was forced to call a brief recess. after things got under control brennan had to deal with tough and necessary questions and
here is part of his exchange with senator mark o-rubio about the benghazi terrorist attack, watch this. >> have you talked to folks in the cia about their impressions of the quality of information we're getting from our foreign partners? >> yes, on a regular basis. >> and they've indicated-- would it surprise you to know that they've indicated to us repeatedly over the last couple of years that i've been here that the information he we get directly is much better than anything we get from our foreign partners on some of these issues. >> that's why we work with the foreign partners and get the-- >> i'm concerned because al harzi, i think how you pronounce the name and a suspect in the benghazi attack and he was taken into custody by the tunisians. >> yes, he was taken into custody. >> did we not ask for access to them. >> the tunisians didn't have the law. >> they released him. >> he's still in tunisia. >> you're fully comfortable
with this notion that because the tunisians concluded they didn't have a legal basis to hold them we now lost the opportunity to interrogate someone that could have provided significant information on the attack in benghazi? >> senator, you know, this country, america, really needs to make sure that we are setting a standard, an example for the world as far as the basis that we're going to in fact interrogate somebody, to brief somebody, we want to make sure we're doing it in conjunction with our international partners. >> sean: and joining me with reaction, former speaker of the house, newt gingrich and you said back in 2006 i'll show it in a minute that jihad is a legitimate tenant of islam and gave an explanation why he won't use the war on terror. is this man qualified to be the cia director? >> well, i think in the world of barack obama he is. in a world of american national security, he wouldn't be picked. for a lot of different reasons. i thinks' been profoundly wrong about his approach to thinking about radical
islamists, i think as he did just now, he can't explain why we can't have access to people and the fact is, one of the purposes of having a central intelligence agency is to be able to do things that allow you to get at people you can't get at diplomatically or through regular channels so i'm very concerned that as the head of the central intelligence agency he will increase the degree to which the united states will be either uninformed or misinformed and i want to commend the senate on a bipartisan basis, senator feinstein a democrat has been very tough about some of these things. you've had senator weiden, very tough so it's been a bipartisan standing up by the senate demanding answers before they're willing to move forward with this particular nominee. >> sean: we now have a situation where the very same people that were against the use of enhanced interrogation, we only water-boarded three
people which by the way gave the intelligence that led to bin laden, those same people who eviscerated george w. bush, now through president obama say it's legal, ethical and wise to use drone strikes on american citizens. can you explain that contradiction to me? because i don't understand it. >> no, i don't think it's explainable and i think that now that we're past the election, many of president obama's left wing allies who were quiet in order to get reelected are increasingly public and concerned about it and i think there are three enormous questions about the drone program and i support a selective correct application of drone strikes, i think it's one more part of the art of war and there's nothing in that sense unusual. the first very has to be what's the procedure to insure if it's an american citizen that we're very, very careful about their rights and don't have some bureaucrat somewhere deciding to kill people capriciously because the
president delegated power to them. and there are a lot of strike-- anybody who has seen "zero dark thirty," those interrogations gave us a lot of intelligence information and in a war against a terrorist movement intelligence may be more important than killing and we're cutting ourselves off from that. and the third problem is the drone avoids an easy way of thinking. peep described it as whack-a-mole. it isn't. comparing one particular missile from one particular drone in one particular country is a very long way for having a strategy for victory. >> sean: it even gets worse than that, it's easily manipulated. as you said capricious, but they can literally target a u.s. citizen from their words, in their words not mine, even when the target must have recently been involved in
activities and they don't define activities and don't define reisn'tly. it's a pretty broad definition to go against anybody you want. >> when left wing politicians are out of power they're for very, very, very strict rules. when they're in power they're for no rules because they trust themselves because they're pure and after all not going to do anything wrong. this is a perfect case study though in a free society where you've got to establish the rule of law. what's the right procedure, who is in charge, who's held accountable. you can't just randomly kill people and it's not like the middle of at battlefield and terrible things happening and it's all in real time. this is a calculated decision in an air conditioned office to issue an order to kill somebody a long way away and you had better figure out a system for doing this that's accountable, that can be scrutinized by the congress, and that can be frankly protecting the rights of persons not potentially
eliminating those rights. >> sean: you know, sometimes america does some stupid things, we really do. one of the dumbest things we do and i can see the rich billionaire oil sheiks laughing at us because we're the saudi arabia of natural gas and have more oil in some cases and we're buying oil from them. i would be laughing at us, too. and the second thing, in cairo we have ahmadinejad the first time in 30 years going to cairo to meet a 9/11 truther, a guy that views the israelis as descendents of pigs and apes and we're stupid enough to give this guy jets and tanks and billion dollars of dollars. this doesn't seem like a strategic. >> know he reason to give the egyptian army more tanks or f-16 aircraft unless they're using it against israel. the egyps army, far and away the largest arab military and
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>> and this is a fox news alert at this hour, the manhunt for former l.a.p.d. officer christopher dorner who has allegedly three people and wounded two more and threatens to kill countless others continues now in california. we're going to bring you the latest developments as we get them. controversial comments from john brennan's past are now raising concerns about his commitment to the country's national security. back in 2009 president obama's nominee to head the cia who currently serves as the white house top counterterror advisor refuses to admit we're even fighting a war on
terrorism. >> we're not wage ago war against terrorism because terrorism is, but a tactic that will never be defeated any more than the tactic of war will. rather, such thinking is a recipe for endless conflicts. we're not at war against terror because terror is a state of mind. >> sean: good grief. that's not all. just a few months later he said this about jihad. >> nor does president obama see this challenge as a fight against jihadist. describing terrorists in this way using a legitimate term jihad, to purify ones selves again a moral goal. >> so these comments and more will the senate confirm a cia director that calls jihad a legitimate tenet of islam? and joining me, gentlemen, welcome to the program. senator mike lee, jihad a legitimate tenet of islam. we're not fighting a war on
terrorism? he's going to be the cia director? >> these are hardly mainstream beliefs sean, hardly someone we would expect of our top intelligence officer, this is a concern and with good reason. >> sean: what do you think, senator reisch? >> a little philosophical with me, i'd actually like to see someone interested in killing terrorists and keep him out of america and out of our way. >> sean: we now have the i guess, the new obama miranda rights, which are you have the right to remain silent anything you can be used against you and oh, obama has a right to kill you. let's look at brennan and water-boarding and where we stand with the new memo on using drones to kill american citizens. let's take a look. >> we all have seen how our fight against terrorists sometimes led us to stray from our ideals as a nation. tactics such as water-boarding were not in keeping with our values as americans.
and these practiceses have been rightly terminated and should not and will not happen again. i believe president obama is absolutely correct, such practices not only fail to advance our counterterrorism efforts, they actually set back our efforts. they're recruitment bonanza for terrorists and decrease the willingness of other nations to cooperate with us. >> sean: would it be, senator lee, would it be a recruitment bonanza for terrorists and increase in our enemies, if you use drone strikes and kill people? >> the great irony of this all this, on the one hand you have the administration sending the signal, oh, no, water boarding can't happen and at the same time, by the way, the u.s. government reserves the right to kill an american citizen based on a finding that they present an imminent threat to american national security and oh, by the way, we're' reinventing, redefining the
term imminent so it means something other than an imminent defense. >> sean: and they can decide and manipulate it any way they want. senator reisch, what the white house is saying that these drone strikes against american citizens without any real criteria is legal, ethical and wise, but not water boarding which by the way we only used against three people. >> you know, sean, we're at the incipient stages of a new way of fighting war. they're going to be fought by using drones and as a result of that, legal questions come up. i think probably everyone gets very squeamish when you talk about somebody in the executive branch being able to put a united states citizen on a kill list. and having said that, we on the intelligence committee we review most of the strikes and so far, they've been accurate. they've done a good job at it. but having said that, i just can't fathom what would happen
if a republican president had done what the obama administration has done as far as the drone program is concerned. >> sean: i mean, that's a good point. because here obama with no real criteria is going to be the judge, juror and executioner and going to allow for the assassination of american citizens, there's no other term, we can't assassinate foreign leaders because these are the same people that complained bitterly and eviscerated george w. bush. my conclusion, all of these democrats not only owe bush a policy, but politicized war. i'm not against drone strikes, but we've got to have a criteria. i'm not against enhanced interrogation and they're the ones inconsistent. your reaction. >> you're exactly right if the fifth amendment due process clause means anything, it ought to mean before the u.s. government can snuff out the life of an american citizen there ought to be some definable standard against which that citizen is judged
and that citizen will be determined to be an imminent threat against the u.s. government. but this is a standardless determination as it's been laid out by this memorandum and leaked by the department of justice and it's very troubling, to add insult to injury to that, sean, we have a situation in which the department of justice won't give us full access to their full legal analysis. so we don't really know what the standard is, but what little we know about the standard suggests it's no real meaningful standard at all. >> sean: gentlemen, thank you both for being with us, appreciate your insight. and brent bozelle is going be to be here and one of the most powerful questions of the day directed at leon panetta, the topic benghazi. >> my question to you during that eight-hour period did the president show any curiosity about how is this going?
what kind of assets do you have helping these people? did he ever make that phone call? >> it appears we learned the president of the united states was in fact awol during that terrorist attack that took the lives of a u.s. ambassador and three others. now, the man you just heard from senator lindsey graham is here. 's he coming up next and be sure to log on to our special companion sight, hannity live, share your thoughts and go to hanni hanni hannityl all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. rify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers.
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>> and there was plenty of activity on capitol hill today. it was not all about john brennan and serious contentions flu and a major bombshell was revealed when former secretary leon panetta and martin dempsey went before the senate armed services committee to testify about the benghazi consulate attack. the most alarming news out of that testimony was na president obama was virtually
absent on the night that four americans died and according to panetta he and general dempsey only spoke once that night to the commander-in-chief. >> the information that, that something was happening, that it was an apparent attack going on in benghazi. and i informed the president of that fact and he at that point directed both myself and general dempsey to do everything we needed to do to try to protect lives there. >> did you have any further communications with him that night? >> no. >> did you have any other further communications, did he ever call you that night to say how are things going, what's going on, where is the consulate? >> no. >> did you communicate with anyone else at the white house that night? >> no. >> no one else called you to say, what, how are things going? >> no. >> the disclosure of that telling statement infuriated my next guest, watch this exchange. >> you talked to the president
of the united states one time so you talked to him 30 minutes, one time and you never talked to him again? either one of you. >> until afterwards. >> until after the attack was over. >> that's right. >> are you surprised that the president of the united states never called you, secretary panetta, and said how is it going? >> you know, normally in these situations-- >> did he know the level of threat. >> let me finish the answer. >> we were deploying the forces, he knew we were deploying the forces and he was being kept-- >> i hate to interrupt you, but i've got limited time. we didn't deploy any forces. my question, during the the eight hour period did the president show any curiosity, how is this going, what kind of assets did you have helping these people? did he ever make any phone call. >> there's no question in my mind the president of the united states was concerned about american lives. >> with all due respect i don't see that's a credible statement if he never called and asked you are we helping
these people, what's happening to them. >> as a former-- >> we have a second and we'll take it. >> sean: and here now with more, south carolina senator lindsey graham. senator, i'm stunned. that's shocking. >> if i were a family member and one of my loved ones was killed at benghazi, i would be sick to my stomach. the president of the united states talking to the secretary of defense for 15 minutes, never talked to the secretary of state until after the attack was over, never made a phone call saying how close are we to help these people? where is chris stevens? what did he do when he was told the ambassador was missing? we've had one ambassador killed in the last 30 years? the president of the united states has to account for his leadership here and i intend it hold him accountable. thus far the white house has delayed, denied, deceived and stonewalled and this has to come to an end. he has to account for his leadership. >> sean: this was an eight-hour ordeal and as you pointed out they didn't send
in any help and now learning they could have. what was the the time frame. wasn't it early right after the attack started and panetta talked to obama, and eight hours went by and didn't talk to obama once. >> he talked to president obama for 30 minutes around five o'clock in the afternoon, when the attack was about an hour old. our ambassador was missing about 30 minutes later. during the entire episode, not one phone call to the department of defense from the president of the united states wondering what's going on, how close are we to helping these people. the secretary of state never once talked to the secretary of defense. the president of the united states never made one phone call to find out how this operation was going and this whole episode, if it had come out before the election, remember when obama turned to romney in the third debate and basically said i know these people, i know their families and i know their names, i would never put them in harm's
way. well, mr. president, what did you do for eight hours? who did you talk to? what kind of leadership did you exhibit? they made two movies about the bin laden raid and you deserve credit for that, but you've had no accounting for the benghazi attack and you're going to have an accounting. i'm not going to stop until the american people know what their commander-in-chief did for eight hours and thus far, all we know is he had a 15 minute conversation. >> sean: all right. now, multiple requests, senator, were made for extra security because the threat was grave and they couldn't withstand an attack. senator mccain focused on that with general dempsey. watch this exchange. >> did you ever get the message that said they could not withstand a sustained attack on the consulate? >> i was tracking that intelligence, i was tracking through-- >> did you receive that information? >> i did. >> so it didn't bother you? >> it bothered me a great deal. >> and when they're in place
ready to respond? >> because we never received a request to do so, number one, and number two. >> never heard of the ambassador stevens' repeated warnings about the-- through general ham, but we never received a request for support from the state department which would have allowed us to put-- >> so it's the state department's fault. >> i'm not blaming the state department i'm sure they had-- >> who would you blame? >> i'm sorry, sir? >> who is responsible then. >> sean: senator mccain appointing out they failed to give them the requested security before. you pointed out they failed during the attack, and am i right to say it's a lie and coverup after? >> oh, i think there's three things we've learned today, that susan rice's statements on the 15th of september, five days after the attack were a bunch of b-s because panetta and dempsey said today senator did a good job. and we knew that night it was a terrorist attack. dempsey said the mortar rounds
hitting the rooftop was impressive. and panetta and dempsey said they knew it was a terrorist attack on september 11th. who my question, how could the president of the united states over two weeks tell us we don't know what happened? >> unbelievable. >> how could susan rice go on national tv and say there's no evidence of a coordinated terrorist attack. she misled the american people. who changed the talking points? and secretary clinton's story makes no sense. she said she had a clear-eyed view of the threats. she didn't know about the august 15 memo from other own ambassador and the secretary of defense did. >> sean: and the president himself was still blaming a youtube video two weeks later. >> yes. >> sean: last question. you're against enhanced interrogation and you and i had a disagreement on that. >> i'm against torture. >> sean: i don't believe the thee people water-boarded were torture, not to digress. >> okay. >> sean: what about the president bombing people, killing them with drone attacks? >> i think he should have
enhanced interrogation techniques that are classified and i think we should kill all the terrorists or capture the terrorists we can find. i'm okay with the drones, but he won't use gitmo, we've captured one person, sean, in four years and hard to interrogate a dead man. so this president has closed gitmo and we're a nation without a jail and this is going to come back to haunt us and more benghazis coming, this commander of chief is disengaged, doesn't understand the reality and let syria become a contagion for the region and the middle east is blowing up and we don't have a place to put a terrorist if we capture him and it's going to bite us in the butt. >> sean: i wish you were wrong, but you're not. and we have new details on the manhunt in california, details about the media figures who were mentioned in the killer's manifesto and the media may be overlooking this and brent is here to expose the truth and later tonight. >> if the facts are true, they should all be fired.
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situation out of california and there is a state-wide manhunt for a former l.a.p.d. cop christopher dorner, now we just got new video into the fox news channel of the authorities searching for the suspect of the earlier tonight the police say they were focusing on an area called big bear, california and they'll search throughout the night and going door-to-door as we speak and police warn that dorner is still very dangerous. he's already murdered three people and according to a manifesto online, he's going to continue to target members of the l.a.p.d. if he remains on the loose. he's been voicing dissatisfaction with the l.a.p.d., the department that fired him in 2009. other notable mentions in his lengthy online rant. turns out to that the gunman, christopher jordan dorner is a vocal supporter of barack obama, hillary clinton, dianne feinstein and opposes the n.r.a. and viciously attacked the ceo in his letter and don't expect to hear much
about this on liberal news outlets, on cnn and it turns out that dorner is a huge fan of the network. manifesto applauded chris mathews, joe scarboro, anderson cooper and others, wolf blitzer. and brent bozell is with us and welcome back. very interesting, we're going to show a few clips here in a second. if he read a book by a conservative author, sean hannity, mark levin, ann coulter, rush limbaugh, this would be big news, and they would say inspired-- >> absolutely right. this is very telling that you've got a direct association of liberal lu luminaries with this killer. it's in no way to suggest that any of these people should be held responsible for anything
this guy is doing, nobody is suggesting that, but if we're going to make that statement. how in the world do you put that alongside the pattern of these reporters on the left who have connected the dots to conservatives in previous-- >> time and time again. >> when there was no connection to conservatives. >> sean: bill clinton himself did it. tim mcveigh oklahoma city bombing. go to the aurora shooting and go to abc news and brian ross, people remember this. >> i want to go to brian ross here because brian, you've been looking, investigating the background of jim holmes and found something that might be significant. >> there's a jim holmes of aurora colorado page on the colorado tea party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. now, we don't know if this is the same jim holmes, but jim holmes of aurora, colorado. >> sean: well, it wasn't that jim holmes, number one. it's not significant either that this guy is a fan of obama's michelle obama's, hillary clinton, chris mathews and these other liberals that
he mentioned here. i refuse to do to them what they would do to us. >> exactly right. the key words in that piece were we don't know. we didn't know, but even if that were true, what difference does it make? the fact that this guy praised christopher mathews or tavist smiley, what difference does it make. they had nothing to do with it. >> sean: none, zero. >> where are are the apologies now. >> sean: they're not going to come in and you know something? this is a tactic, conservatives are demonized all the time. let's go to another shooting, the gabby giffords shooting, look at nbc and abc, same story, predictable association to somehow conservatives that have an opinion and they don't inspire violence, but somehow must have inspired people to do these things. watch this. >> last march vandals damaged her tucson district office after the health care reform vote. giffords talked about that on msnbc. >> are you afraid? are you fearful today? >> you know, i'm not.
we've had hundreds and hundreds of protesters over the course of the last several months. >> with giffords a conservative democrat was concerned about heated campaign rhetoric from the tea party. >> she's a democrat from a largely republican district. she was as familiar as anyone with the partisan divide as you heard steve mention there, in fact her father today was asked this question by the new york post as he rushed to the hospital to be by her side. did your daughter have any enemies and his response was, yes, the whole tea party. >> sean: the implication is clear here, remember sarah palin targeted districts, something bob beckel, interestingly, side note invented himself. >> right, now we talked about brian ross with the previous one where he said we don't know. this is paul krugman of the new york times on gabby giffords. we don't have proof yet that this was political, but the odds are that it was. so, without any evidence they ascribed the motives and by the way, the man who shot
gabby giffords, he was a liber liberal. does that mean anything? no, it doesn't mean anything. >> sean: this is the thing though, almost like all of those people who have been eviscerating george bush over quote, torture, including the president, utterly silent over drone strikes, same thing, blame rush limbaugh, talk raid no, blame fox news and now they're associated with the nut case out there. i wonder if they'll draw the same conclusions? i tend to doubt it? >> no, no, and i wonder if there's going to be national coverage, the interview you just did with lindsey graham, that's huge and let's see who covers it tonight. >> sean: i tend to doubt that's going to happen. all right. now the danger here, you read the rantings of this guy. in one sense he was rather coherent. in another sense somewhat rambling, but you have somebody that's very angry, full of rage. aren't individuals, when we get to the bottom of this, don't he we just have to hold
them accountable for their own actions and stop trying to figure out what's inspiring their nutty, violent, vicious, hateful, insane behavior? >> we don't as a society in a morally relevant society we don't want to accept existence of violence and existence of hate. we want to try to find some reason for it. hate is hate, violence is violence and people who are violent and killers, are violent and they're killers and we don't need to find how they're raised, find out what kind of medicine they're taking or food they're ingesting, there is evil in this world. >> sean: there is evil in this world and there is something called the war on terrorism and interesting that those oppose enhanced interrogation now support drone strikes. thanks for being with us. and coming up, the most embarrassing video of the day shows senator bob menendez actually lecturing the secret
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